Sunday, February 26, 2006
Lodge 181 Nischa Nimat event arc eX1990
At the Sakuwit Lodge 2 TOR this weekend, a new event issue was uncovered for Lodge 181 Nischa Nimat. Previously an undated eR19xx was known to exist, as well as dated event patches from 1980 through 1987. Some of which have been reported on this blog. Now an a dated arc - 1990 has been discovered to accompany this undated patch.
Since Nischa Nimat merged with 48, 268 and 418 into 181 Ganienkeh. This would have been the last event issue for Nischa Nimat.
Does anyone have any information on the existance of dated event patches or arcs for the "missing years" 1988 and 1989.
Lodge #418 Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea S13
Just managed to acquire one of my last flap needs from Lodge #418 Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea. It is the S13 Vigil issue. OAimages
previously did have one pictured. Sent the scan along to John as well so you should be able to find it here shortly
Still looking for the 418S3b and 418S7b (PB). Do you have any available for trade?
Monday, February 20, 2006
The Year in Review 2005 - Scouting Collectibles
Roy More of The Scout Patch Auction (TSPA) typically does a year in review article in the ISCA (International Scout Traders Association) Journal and this year has also posted it on his blog.
For those who don't know, TSPA is one of the largest dealers in Scout collectibles. Previously he had published numerous sales lists and auctions; although these days seems to list mainly on eBay.
This 9 page article is full of pictures and information on the status of the hobby and covers all of the major collecting areas with ratings of cold, warm and hot. It can be found here
. You may not agree with it all, but it makes interesting reading.
If you haven't already done so, take a look at Roy's blog as well
Thursday, February 16, 2006
How would you value a well used First Flap?
I'm interested in some opinions here.
Note I am not offering this item for sale nor am I brokering it. Just looking for some opinions on both valuing scarce but used cloth and whether you feel a similar item would find its way into you possession.
I was recently contacted by a ex-Scouter who had what appeared to be a Wakpominee 48 F1 in well-used condition. It had been sewn, washed and exhibited at least some box-dirt but overall was still in decent but not great condition.
It is a First Flap with I believe a 9 scarcity on a scale of 1-10.
He asked my opinion about value I had 6 information points:
Tracker Software lists 3 sales by TSPA @ $454, $ 810 and $ 1750 with no mention of condition which would normally mean mint.
From 2 old sale lists from Brush Creek, (3-4 years ago) one F1 was described as very lightly sewn @ $900 and about 4 years ago another "crisp" 48F1 offered @ $800.
One price realized list circa 1992-93 from the sale of a very large NY collection (Don Vanderbilt) listed a 48F1 as selling for $777.
Now overall there may have some appreciation or overall decline in value, but assume $1000 current value as a talking point for a mint 48F1.
1. How much of a percentage discount from a mint specimen would you think would be justified for the used flap pictured above?
2. If there was a similar valued item with a similar scarcity (and condition) from one of the lodges/councils/ areas you collect would you be willing to put it in your collection in that condition?
3. What about if this was the last item you need to complete your prime collection? Would a used item do or would you hold out (and pay) for a mint one?
4. What percentage discount from "mint" would you value a used item at?
I'd be interested in your thoughts. You may email me or leave a comment here.
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
Half Moon Lodge #28 2005 Jamb-O-Ree Prototype Flap YS3
Half Moon Lodge #28 issued a 2005 Jamb-O-Ree Prototype Flap designated the YS3. It is similar in design to the approved S30-32 series, but with a White Background.
Blue Book Style Stats:
YS3 BLU R WHT RED YEL FDL; BLK BSA Rip Van Winkle Council RED National Jamboree 2005
Half Moon Lodge 2005 Section NE-3B Service Lodge Prototype Flap YS2
Half Moon Lodge issued a service Lodge flap when it hostd the NE-3B Conclave in 2005 the S29.
There was a prototype of the flap made witha white background.
The Blue Book stats are:
YS2 BLK R WHT BLK YEL FDL; BLK Rip Van Winkle Council BSA & NE-3B Welcomes the National Chief, Service Lodge
Last week I posted that Ty-Ohni Lodge was planning a 70th Anniversary Set and provided an artists rendition (see link below).
Theset was released at the lodge banquet this past weekend and can be seen here:
Blue Book Stats for these issues are:
S37 RED C WHT RED BLK FDL; RED Shaded Black Lodge Name, 1936-2006; YEL shaded BLK 70th Anniversary w/X10
X10 RED C BLU RED BLK FDL RED shaded BLK Lodge Name, RED 70th Anniversary 1936-2006 w/S37
Tuesday, February 14, 2006
Correction to BB, Mislisted Issue - Shinnecock Lodge #360 Nathan Hale Chapter eR1986
The issue below was incorrectly listed in the Blue Book as belonging to Shinnecock Lodge #360 Nathan Hale Chapter and designated the er1986.
It is actually from Eluwak Lodge #59 Cochipiane Chapter of the Nathan Hale District and already listed in the Blue Book.
You Shinnecock completeists can take this one off you list.
Unlisted #412 Buckskin Lodge Event Neckerchief eN1967
Here is a scan (not a great one. but all I have) of a previously unlisted Buckskin Lodge #412 event neckerchief.
Blu Book Style Stats:
eN1967 - - WHT GRN - SSC; RED 1967 Cavalcade
Monday, February 13, 2006
Lodge #59 Ty Ohni Iroquois Chapter Neckerchief N1
Another picture from Rob Cunningham of the Iroquois N1. While this has previously been listed in the Blue Book, the colors were unkown since the only copy I had seen was from a black and white photocopy from the Don Vanderbilt collection.
Blue Book Stats:
Iroquois N1 - - WHT BLU - BLU 95 WWW Native American Brave Facing Right, Thunderbird on Shield
Ty-Ohni Lodge #95 Unlisted N2 variation
Rob Cunningham brings word of a previously unlisted N2 variation. The primary difference is the arrowhead gray (N2a) or Light Green (N2b). Will also update the N2 description as well.
Blue Book Style Stats:
N2a RED P WHT GRN - SSC; RED Otetiana Council WWW, GRN 1935-1960 LODGE 95 Gray Arrowhead
N2b RED P WHT GRN - SSC; RED Otetiana Council WWW, GRN 1935-1960 LODGE 95 Light Green Arrowhead
Thursday, February 09, 2006
Ktemaque Lodge #15 2006 NOAC Issues
Ktemaque Lodge is issuing a series of 7 patches for the 2006 NOAC. A Single Flap and three 2-piece sets. The sets all share the same design with different border colors RMY, SMY, GMY. Once I have more information, I will post it, but they are some variation of Fundraiser, Trader and Delegate. The single flap is of the same design with a Black border.
New Shinnecock Lodge #360 Seatalcot Chapter A3
A new chapter issue from Seatalcot Chapter part of Shinnecock Lodge #360.
A3 RED C WHT BLK M/C FDL; GLD outlined Black RED 360 WWW
Wednesday, February 08, 2006
Ty-Ohni Lodge#95 70th Anniversary Set
Jim Chamot passes along an artists' rendition of a new 2-piece set from Lodge 95 which is scheduled to be released shortly. Will post a scan with BB details when available.
Buckskin Lodge #412 Trade O Ree
Brain Petrowski passes along some information on a Trade-O-Ree Buckskin Lodge #412 will be hosting this spring.
"Just wanted to let you know that Buckskin Lodge #412 will be hosting a Trade O Ree to raise funds for our contingent going to NOAC this year.
Buckskin Lodge #412 Trade O Ree
St. Thomas the Apostle School
24 Westminster Road
West Hempstead, NY
Table Fee: $15 for first table and $10 each additional
Contact: Doug Makosky mmakosky at optonline dot net
Contact: Russ Rensch superscoutruss at optonline dot net
There will also be a Merit Badge midway and many activities for kids as well as a live auction at the trade oree. All proceeds will go toward our contingent to 2006 Noac. Food and beverages will also be available for purchase."
Tuesday, February 07, 2006
Loon Lodge #364 Rushing River Chapter R1
John Papp via Bruce Raver also brings word of an unlisted chapter issue from Rushing River Chapter of Loon Lodge #364.
Blue Book Style stats:
R1 YEL R M/C GRN PUR FDL; RED Loon Lodge No. 364 WWW
Loon Lodge #364 Merger?
And another one bites the dust....
Bruce Raver recently reported on Patch-L on the merger (absorbtion) of Adirondack Council into Twin Rivers Council.
For those who have not yet heard, Adirondack Council and Twin Rivers Council have merged. Below is the text of the article in the latest issue of the
Twin Rivers Council newsletter "Signals" sent to adult volunteers.
Adirondack Council's area will become the Adirondack District of Twin Rivers
Council. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that Adirondack Council was
I have not heard anything yet about the impact to the lodges. When
Wakpominee Lodge 48 merged with Ganienkeh Lodge 19 in 1998, they became the
Wakpominee Chapter of the new Haudenosaunee Lodge 19. No telling what the
youth members will decide on, but a new lodge name could be in the making.
I'll post additional news as it becomes available.
An interesting side note for numbers people: Loon Lodge 364 coincidentally
shares the same number as the Twin Rivers Council (#364), so maybe Loon
won't completely lose its old number if lodges are known by their council
The old Adirondack Council Webpage now is renamed Adirondack District with a link to the Twin Rivers Council homepage. No news on the Loon Lodge website or the
Haudenosaunee Lodge website at this writing.
Newly discovered Shinnecock Lodge Chapter issues.
Below is a previously unlisted round and event rocker from Shinnecock Lodge 360 Pwamas Chapter.
Blue Book Style stats:
R1.5 BLK R LBL BLK ORG FDL; BLK WWW TLS
eX1980 BLK R LBL - - BLK 13 Annual Icicle March 1980 TLS 83mm (widest) x 31mm tall ARC for R1.5 does not mention chapter name.
Kayanernh-Kowa Lodge #219 issued an event patch last June. The patch was previously reported an an eX issue. It should more properly be referred to as am eJ issue as it is a square patch measuring 140mm per side.
BB style stats are:
eJ2005 SMY R M/C RED YEL FDL RED Lodge 219, 2005 Camp Woodland WHT WWW